I will start with what I understand from the readings, the definition of public schools and what Hess’ perspective is on public schools. According to Hess, “public schools have a commitment to prepare students to be productive member of a social order, aware of society responsibilities, and prove an appropriate placement for each student.” Okay, so this is a pretty broad definition. I did like what Hess said a public school is not……“not accountable to the government, there is no voting public and as for vouchers, that raised a whole other issue.” Another purpose of the public school (Hess) is provide the academic learning for students to serve the needs of the individual and the state. Ah - here comes the government. Then it said on page 158 that “the citizens who lack in education don’t contribute to society and drain the public resources.” This to me meant that if we do not educate our students to become working citizen of our communities then they will be on welfare and food stamps.
Now the “who” on providing this wonderful public service. Public service is defined as a service performed for the benefit of the public. (dictionary.com) I would love to think that all of our schools and teachers have the benefit of the public (students) in their best interest. I believe that most teachers start off this way. They are right our of college and they can’t wait to make a difference in a child’s life. Then they start that first job and after a couple of years there is more and more restrictions in their teaching, students are not prepared to learn (no breakfast, home life is bad, etc.) and then the teacher’s are held accountable for that year end test so they make sure that the students know everything on that test by the end of year. Whew! Sometimes I think we are being picky on the “who” and should be asking, “Are they making a difference?” You hear about these wonderful schools that are helping children read and writing but they don’t have the money to succeed so they go under. We should be focusing on whomever is calling themselves a public school and are they providing the service that the students deserve and are coming there for. This is why charter schools open in areas where the public school systems are not doing very well, for example, Lorain and Cleveland. Then the public schools say that the charter schools are stealing their students and their money. Well, provide the great education and the students would not leave. We all know there is much more to this…..if the school system had the money, resources, etc. then maybe they would not be in this predicament. I can’t help going back to the teachers. If the Lorain and Cleveland School Systems (not personal - just all I know) had all great teachers that wanted to truly make a difference in the children’s lives that they are providing the service to, would we have all of these problems still? Sometimes I think that some of the teachers are trying 100% and some are floating through. Does this make a difference? I am not sure.
Mary’s presentation about Catholic schools hit home for me. I have been asking the question of what has happened in the last ten to fifteen years to families, homes, schools, and children that has made our society so different as it was when I went to school. I realized one aspect (yes, I realize that there are numerous) that I feel the general public has participated less in is religion. Mary mentioned that in 1965 85% attended a Catholic School and currently 49% attend. I know we discuss money issues in sending a child to a Catholic School but I think that is just recently with the economic times. I believe that our religious beliefs have dwindled and it is not as important that your children receive this in addition to education. I believe that Mary called this a “crisis of faith”.

Is there any between teachers' unions and the recent teacher misconduct legislation?
....(and other questions....)
Friday, March 27, 2009
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Adelle,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comment on charter schools taking over. If you read my post the school of which I work for is accountable to the state in so many different ways. I believe that my school is providing the service of which our parents CHOSE to come to our school for. At my school according to our website we are schools that focus on student academic excellence, promote good character, and ensure small class sizes. Only those people who are educated enough would actually realize that charter schools are not stealing money from anyone. I hope to further this discussion when we talk about charter schools. Our schools motto is "the right choice for parents and a real chance for children". I feel that this is a fine example of our true differences between us and a "traditional" public school.
Just a thought on "per pupil funding"... I found in an article from "Focus Education" entitled "Once Cross-Purposes to Home-Schoolers, School Districts Seek Growing Accommodation". In this article, it was stated that as per pupil funding is at stake, it may be in the best interest of both the public and home setting, to take certain classes at the local public school and then homeschool for part of the day. This meets the need of the family and the school can still "count" the student as part of its student base on a part-time basis.
ReplyDeleteAdelle, re: your statement: "Mary mentioned that in 1965 85% attended a Catholic School and currently 49% attend," just to be clear, 85% of students attending private schools attended Catholic schools in the '60's.
ReplyDeleteAmanda, can you share informaiton re: the history of your school with us on Monday?
Just commenting on Adelle's post. One thing that is VERY important to understand is that teachers in Cleveland and Lorain are dealing with a vastly different "client" base than in say, Avon Lake, Westlake, Bay Village, Rocky River, etc. Swap Lorain's families with Westlake's, but keep the same teachers. I guarantee Lorain's scores would go way up. You're dealing with broken and impoverished families in Lorain and Cleveland. I've worked with many excellent teachers in Lorain, who just happen to teach in totally different "world" than in other suburbs.
ReplyDeleteRight Brian..I think the issues keep going back to the family and its involvement and responsibility. And Adelle, I too think that even if the teachers give 100%, some do still float through, but I'm not even sure that a teacher can give 100% to each and every child in a 25 or more class size. As a student studying to be a teacher, I sure hope that I can but it sure wouldn't be easy with children who aren't driven or given support by the family.
ReplyDeleteAdelle, I really enjoyed your post. Though I'm not a teacher I could relate as a contributing member in society: "Another purpose of the public school (Hess) is provide the academic learning for students to serve the needs of the individual and the state. Ah - here comes the government." So true!! This is the purpose of public education right? Our goal is to educate for the purpose of societal reproduction. The ideal is that everyone recieves a good education, skips off to college or learn a trade/skill and contribute to the economy. In my opinion, education=job opportunities= changes in economy=govenrment relativity=affects on all people. The second statement I enjoyed...“the citizens who lack in education don’t contribute to society and drain the public resources.” This to me meant that if we do not educate our students to become working citizen of our communities then they will be on welfare and food stamps". You really have to think about the types of resources available and honestly, they are, for the majority, centered around one's fiancial status. Welfare, medicaid, section 8 housing and utility support programs (PIPP)require applicants to have an income that may not exceed certain amounts. But now that I think about it, Im not sure if this is what our governemnt had in mind centuries ago when it was established. Our government has been forced into a position where they provide resources based on reactivity and not productivity.
ReplyDeleteGreat points, Ria!! I think you provide a key insight: I don't think it's what our government had in mind--and I'm not sure how (or if) it got "forced" into its current position. But I think you hit the nail on the head: most of our governmental policy seems to be REactive rather than PROactive. And therein lie so many of our problems. Studies have shown over and over, for instance, how much more cost-effective it would be to spend more money on education, thereby reducing the amount we pay on prisons, welfare, housing subsidies, health care....
ReplyDeleteI think Brian is very right when he talks about "client" base. I did my student teaching in Lorain while I was a nanny for a family in Avon Lake. VERY different children. The children I nanny for had every book you could think of, flash cards, Mom and Dad both worked one-on-one with their children. 2 out of there 5 children are gifted. The other 3 have not started school yet. Children in Lorain grew up with very few resources. Some of the children in my classroom were just beginning to familiarize themselves with books. I think socio-economic status does play a huge role into things.
ReplyDeleteAdelle, the part in your post about the quality of teachers really hit home for me. I have been trying to explain this to parents for years, especially those who are considering private school (Catholic specifically) and they want to know what the difference is. I always tell them, besides the religious education, the teachers in our school building all love children and want to give them to 100% succeed in everything. As it is known, Catholic school teachers are paid very poorly, but we all stay year after year. A good friend of mine has taught in a CS for over 30 years. Her daughter just graduated college and got a PS teaching job making more than her mom!! OUCH!! And her mom said, I wouldn't trade it for the world, I love these kids too much. This mindset effects our quality of education to every degree, like you said, go back to the teachers. In an environment where all of the staff feels this way, you are bound to produce a better quality product.
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